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to captain cook, the draw on their backs with a sharpy. representative flake, we applaud your spirit of adventure, though i fear you may have lost the hermit crab vote forever. >> i don't buy it. that's the honolulu hilton. >> it could be. we don't know. >> he just wanted to show his guns. he just wanted to, you know -- >> nice hermit crabs. >> nice guns. ken, thanks a lot. thank you for watching tonight. don't forget, you can e-mail the show at rachel@msnbc.com and you can find the podcast at itunes or rachel.msnbc.com. i'm alison stewart, filling in tonight for rachel. > "count dodown with keith olbermann" starts right now. which of these stories will you be talking about? the crap senate committee finance health care reform bill
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passes. and it's so crap, even olympia snowe can vote for it. when history calls, she says, it calls. until it calls back tomorrow and tells her to change her vote. >> my vote today is my vote today. it doesn't forecast what my vote will be tomorrow. >> still, it provides the president cover, providing that ultimately he provides a public option. >> i think they've done excellent work. >> not so, the insurance cartel. or as they're more accurately known, the [ bleep ] of america. they hire accountants to analyze the affects of the finance committee bill, they ignore all the savings, they then announce the bill would result in raising premiums. neglect s to ever mention the fact that they would be the ones raising the premiums. >> we cannot support this bill in its current structure that's going to add cost increases for families and employers across the country. >> oh, and half the newscasts in the country treat the "survey" as if it was knew.
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the insurance cartel, the [ bleep ] hole of america. of course, liz cheney gives them a run for their money. her new group, the pro-war, pro-detention, pro-torture, pro-death group. >> barack obama knows how to give a great speech. but when it comes to america's defense, the rhetoric doesn't match the reality. >> and which is it? you don't want to be on msnbc and nbc or you desperately do want to be on msnbc and nbc? >> look what i have spawned. glenn beck is a result of my success. >> geez, that's like congratulating yourself on spreading syphilis. all that and more now on "countdown." >> right on, daddy-o. what? good evening from new york. all of that in exchange for one, repeat, one republican vote. our fifth story on the countdown, senator snowe of maine today becoming the loan republican on the senate finance
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committee to cross party lines to vote for what is essentially the baucus bill. the baucus bill that was essentially the insurance industry bill that the insurance industry trashed anyway yesterday with a phony research study conducted by accountants who today distance themselves from what the insurers did with the already-cooked books. the only thing that would have been more fitting than for senator snowe to vote for it is if there had been a senator bull to have done so. in anti-climactic fashion, the committee approving its bill by a final vote of 14-9. miss snowe making it clear that her "yes" vote today might not still be a "yes" vote when the final legislation comes to the floor of the senate. >> is this bill all that i would want from it? is it all that it can be? no. but when history calls, history calls. and i happen to think that the consequences of inaction dictate the urgency of congress to take every opportunity to demonstrate its capacity to solve the
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monumental issues of our times. finally, i say that my vote today is my vote today. it doesn't forecast what my vote will be tomorrow. >> thanks. the finance committee's work, winning the praise of the president, who singled out senator snowe in his remarks. >> and i want to particularly thank senator olympia snowe for both the political courage and the seriousness of purpose that she's demonstrated throughout this process. now, this bill is not perfect and we have a lot of difficult work ahead of us. there's still significant details and disagreements to be worked out over the next several weeks as the five separate bills from the senate and the house are merged into one proposal. but i do believe the work of the senate finance committee has brought us significantly closer to achieving the core objectives i laid out early in september. >> meantime, the folks at talkingpointsmemo.com having received a copy of the health insurance lobby's secret memo, that it is distributing to local
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insurance agents across the country, in it the, ahhip calling a government-run plan. as if it isn't already suffering for those with private insurance, let alone those with no insurance. yesterday, the ahip, you know what ah stands for, having tried to deep six all reform, altogether by releasing a faulty study on the eve of the senate finance vote that confirmed health care premiums will continue to rise, with or without the baucus bill, and that the current reforms being proposed do not do enough to contain costs. they are the companies that would be raising the premiums. they are the lobbyists who helped to write the baucus bill. and today's vote, senator kerry taking a part of both the report and the insurance cartel that funded it. >> it's a powerful argument for the attitude of an industry towards this effort. there's an old saying that if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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the fact is, the pricewaterhouse analysis is significantly flawed and the results are simply not valid. pricewaterhousecoopers admits that it has not taken many of the reform provisions put in this legislation into consideration. how do you put out a study that doesn't take what the benefits of the reforms will be? >> conservative democrats on the finance committee, long having argued against the public argument by a public plan, that would not be able to reach 60 votes in the senate. this afternoon, one of those democrats, senator conrad, coming up with a new reason to be against it. >> public option tied to medicare levels of reimbursement is a nonstarter for me because i represent north dakota. >> enough to talk about tonight with democrat senator wieden. in previewing your vote on the finance committee bill, during the debate this afternoon, you said you would be voting yes and quoting you, to move this
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legislation forward, what do you believe needs to still be done to this legislation as it moves forward? >> keith, we've got to do a lot more to hold the insurance lobby accountable. and that means choice. it means public choices, it means private choices. what we learned today is that under the bill, seven years in, more than 90% of the american people wouldn't have real choices at the exchanges. that's just unacceptable. and we're going to stay at it until we turn the tables on the insurance industry. >> i'm missing something about the courtship of senator snowe, as nice as it is to see some support for the whole concept of this coming from the other side of the aisle, at best, materially, she supports a trigger for a public option, such as what you just described. is her vote supposed to be the start of some sort of mass seeing of the light by republicans or the more conservative democrats, or is there any insight you can offer to me as to the strategy behind this? >> i hope it will. the bottom line is, the american people are going to insist on reform that holds their premiums down.
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what we learned again today is that this legislation doesn't do that. i talked about people who are making about $66,000 a year. they're going to pay something like 20% of their income on health care. that's going to be unacceptable. what we've got to do is make sure that the insurance lobby sees that there are real choices. with choice, you get more competiti competition. that makes coverage more affordable. we've got a lot of stages to go at it and we're going to take on the status quo caucus, which is led by the insurance lobby and get this done. >> if you take away some of the dress-up game that the insurance lobby did yesterday with this report that they put out, they were essentially admitting, fairly bald faced, that they will raise premiums under the current reforms as they now stand, having been passed by the finance committee. they tried to dress up this threat with these cooked books that were cooked books to such a degree that the accountant who is got them the raw numbers admitted they were cooked and sort of stepped away from the final product. but there was a threat in there,
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nonetheless, from the insurance companies. pass this, we will raise your premiums, whether it's the necessity of nature causing this to happen or just their own greed causing it to happen. they're saying, it's going to happen. where is the outrage from the senate, from the leaders in the administration to adjust the concept of a threat by the insurance industry? >> i can tell you, keith, you're going to hear it every day from this point on. it's unacceptable to let the insurance industry to call the shots. i mean, to do this study, for example, on the eve of the big vote, i mean, i've been around washington, d.c., and the fact is, if you've got a checkbook, you can get about any set of facts you want. but the insurance industry is already slacking people with these huge price hikes. at every rally in country, the president promises the american people choices like the members of congress get and i'm going to insist on that. >> i understand the need to move this bill out of committee in
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order to fix it after it got out of that hothouse environment. but what do you plan to do if the legislation does not get fixed to your satisfaction and to the public's satisfaction? what if the final bill is reform in name only and it's paid for on the backs of the middle class? >> keith, i can tell you, my price is real reform. there is no bauble, there is no piece of pork that is going to persuade me to support the kind of bill that you just described. we're going to have to make sure that the american people see that this time is different. the lobbies have tremendous clout. we all understand it, that study yesterday is just an example. but this time it's going to be different, because we're going to stay at it until insurance companies are held accountable and premiums go down. >> can you see, anyway, theoretically or otherwise, for that to be accomplished, without a public option in the final measure? >> i never draw lines in the sand, but i can tell you, i am going to fight every single day for these choices. public choices and private choices. that's the best way to hold the insurance lobby accountable.
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that's what they feared. that's why they're spending all this money to try to derail reform. >> senator ron wyden of oregon and the finance committee, great thanks for your time. >> thank you, keith. >> for more on the analysis of trying to figure out what went on today and what may yet happen, let's turn to our own lawrence o'donnell, former chief of staff, now contributor to the huffington skpoopost and a regu here with us on "countdown." >> good to be here, keith. >> what is the deal with snowe? did she do this so she can stay at the table or so she can get fawned over by charlie gibson on world news tonight or get re-elected and what is the democrat's fascination with her one vote? does she have more than one vote? >> and get a shout-out from the president of the united states today. well, she became by the democrat's definition and certainly by chairman baucus' definition and by the president's definition the most important vote in the senate and the most important vote.
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and she cast her vote so she could remain relevant to the process. there's many other lower visibility pieces of legislation where this stuff happens all the time. a senator says, okay, i'm not crazy about this, i don't really like it the way it is right now, but i'm going to vote it forward so that it moves forward to the floor and i may vote against it on the floor or i may vote against it in final passage and there are plenty of times when senators do that. vote for something in committee and vote against it on the floor. the suspense continues with olympia snowe. by voting for it today, she's just continuing the suspense out on to the senate floor. >> the study yesterday, pricewaterhousecoopers, it would have been a perfect opportunity to respond to this by saying, essentially, "f" you to the republicans, to their insurance cartel friends, and really say, all right, it is a line in the sand, or it's at least a ron wyden version of the line in the sand, virtually such, for a public option. is there anything suggesting today that opportunity is being exploited? >> they blew that chance.
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it was sitting right there for them to do. cbo basically sits around and does a lot of educated guessing about what's going to happen when legislation is enacted. and they try to predict what different players in the legislation do. this is the biggest player in this legislation. the health insurance companies, coming out and saying, hey, cbo, this is what we promise we will do. we will raise rates this much. in other words, we will raise rates even more than you have projected we will raise rates. now, cbo, along with pricewaterhouse, cbo does say that premiums will go up under the baucus bill, not down. they will go up. the argument now is just how high up will they go? and the insurance industry is promising us, study or no, forget the study, the study doesn't matter. the industry, the people who set the prices, as you have said, has promised us, this is how high we're going to go because of all of these taxes they're putting on us. >> to borrow mr. hitchcock's phrase, the study is mcgufen.
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does that mean that it's likely we're going to see something like the trigger option, instead, from snowe, or the optout compromise from schumer. is that going to be the big advance when we're all said and done? >> we're certainly not going to see anything that olympia snowe doesn't like. the president made that clear by singling her out. he could have said something about jay rockefeller today, the chairman of the health subcommittee, who has been on this subject longer than anybody else in the senate. he could have done that, he didn't. he picked olympia snowe to say, in effect, i'm with you, and what you need is what i need. so she's only available, it seems, for a vote on a trigger version of the option, so that, at the moment, it looks like the best the senate can get. >> senator rockefeller has been up front in this battle with the shield and the ax going at the other side. but what is -- from senator conrad, they used to argue against the public option by saying it couldn't get 60 votes in the senate. today the senator said that the public option was a nonstarter
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for him for this entire new reason. is he now coming up with reasons the way the insurance industry comes up with reasons? it's another day, we have to do another new reason? >> when he was saying you can't get 60 votes, what he meant was, you can't get mine. but to be fair to senator conrad, he has said before that north dakota hospitals would suffer, would have to shut down virtually all of them would have to shut down if they were getting reimbursed at the medicare rate. so what he is saying is, he's against the strongest version of this as proposed by jay rockefeller. there are other versions of public option that he might be able to go along, but it's really that specific kind and he actually mentioned that to me personally when i saw him in washington the last time i was there. he hasn't been highly visible for this particular reason, but he has been on the record about this reason before. >> it's a valid one and deserves something in the final bill that protects him and any other state that is like -- >> exactly. that's right, keith. you could tailor it to fix it for him.
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>> lawrence o'donnell, "the huffington post," msnbc, thanks as always. >> thanks, keith. >> that insurance industry sponsored and insurance industry manipulated research study on the baucus bill was such a crock that as i mentioned, the accountants who came up with the raw numbers for the insurers today felt it incumbent upon them to say, we were honest, they left out the data we gave them about how much money would be saved. when the accountants, the accountants are worried that your business might be hurting their reputation, your business might as well be selling baby seals to the devil. the author of "sick" joins me and we have an update tonight on our free health care drive, which will stun you as much as it has already stunned me.
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the accountants who did the calculations had to issue a statement today saying, don't look at us, this corruption is theirs. could it still end up helping reform? that and rush limbaugh announcing he is insane. are the same, consider this: a tornado hits, air life denver takes off... their night-vision goggles keeping the rescue mission safe... and powering those goggles-- the only battery air life trusts: duracell. trusted everywhere.
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prices on health care reform were so offended by how the insurers misused the research that the company today issued a public statement that took more wind out of the sails of the self-serving myopic corrupted study, unquote. our fourth story on the countdown, the obvious heavy-handed late push by the
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cartel may actually facilitate the option of a public option. you will recall that the insurance industry tried to skewer the baucus bill yesterday by claiming that it would force insurance companies to raise premiums more than if no bill were passed, but the accounting firm pricewaterhousecoopers has now conceded in a statement that its audit did not investigate the entirety of the legislation. in other words, it ignored the savings, which was the exact charge made by democrats who had called the report a hatchet job. and today a spokesman for the insurance cartel tried and failed to dance around with chris matthews its newfound out in the opposition. >> again, i want to be very clear. we support health care reform -- >> no, you want them to vote nay or yay today. what's your purpose? >> our purpose is to make sure that the american people -- >> but you're a lobbyist. what do you want them to do? you've got to tell me what they're lobbying for? you're not on this program just to give us information.
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you're lobbying for the insurance industry. do you want them to vote for or against this bill today? >> we cannot support this bill in its current structure. >> thanks for coming on, sonny, please leave your resume with chris's secretary. while the baucus bill does have other legitimate problems, the insurance industry has played its hand poorly, at least in this case. a senior democratic aide telling politico, they have opened themselves up. it's a stupid strategic blunder. if you're going to fire a shot like this, you fire a good shot. and an update. more than 7,000 people have already responded and have donated, you have donated, $575,000. that would pay for more than one free health payer in its entirety. it comes close to paying for a second one. the biggest cost, securing the arena-sized venues needed. right now they're focusing on new orleans and little rock. any help securing a large
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facility in either city would go a long way. the goal is to hold these health fairs in five key cities, in five key states represented by the democratic senator who was not yet said that they certainly would oppose a republican filibuster of the public option. you can get more details or get what you can at freeclinics.us or countdown.msnbc.com. $575,000. let's bring in the senior editor at the new republic and author of "sick," jonathan cohn. the insurance cartel has been so good at this, so professional in this evil way. they've spent so much money. did they, indeed, screw this part up? >> boy, i really think this was a misfire. you know, they were trying to do what the special interests always do. you know, you've got some money, you go out and hire some accounting firm to cook up some study that makes it look like what you want, puts out your argument and puts the inflamtor of a authority, respected
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accounting firm and everyone is supposed to believe it. but it was so, transparently bad, so transparently dishonest that immediately everyone recognized it. they managed to discredit themselves with most of the media, or a lot of the media, and more importantly i thi, i t they really alienated some people in congress, i think they alienated quite a lot of people. >> clearly, the alienation was registered today, but is there any chance that there's a rallying point here? lawrence o'donnell said he saw no one taking advantage of this opening here. is there anything on which support for the public option can be based, or is that wishful thinking? >> i don't think it's quite wishful thinking. this isn't going to change the tide of that fight instantly. but i think if you listen to the comments of the senators a to the senate finance, listen to senator wyden on your show a few minutes ago, this is good ammunition. the fight here is about, do you trust the insurance industry?
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that's what the public option fight is about. it's also, if you look at a lot of the other elements of health care reform, how closely do we regulate the insurance industry. all this comes down to a question of, do you trust the insurance industry? and when they put something out like this, again, that is so obviously dishonest, it really kind of blows their credibility out of the water. and i do think that can matter. i do think supporters of a public option can use this to get a little more momentum on their side. and maybe that doesn't get us all the way to the public option, but maybe gets us to a good compromise on it, whether that's some kind of trigger or this opt-out idea that you were talking about before. >> materially, how is that done? the pro-reform interests have to do what to counter this? put out their own numbers, ads that emphasize how the insurance industry cooked the books and threatened everybody? >> i think it's important to put out their own numbers. this argument is now out there. it is going to get repeated, even though people like you and me understand it's a bogus number. so it's important to get some other numbers out there. but i also think, again, i think
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this is important to say. look, these are the people asking us to trust them. they come up, they make dishonest arguments. and to make the point, look, they're promising to raise your premiums. this is what they're saying. do you want to just trust them to deliver affordable health care? i think that's the argument that people need to make. >> being as interested and knowledgeable about this subject as you are, do you just drop to the floor and kind of try to roll away from the fire when you hear something like, as i did on a leading all-news radio station in new york yesterday, this survey, this research-quoted -- and a mention being made that it was funded by the insurance industry, but no mention being made of this gigantic, logical leap that you have to make that says, well, they've just said the result here is going to be, it's going to be necessary to raise premiums when the survey has been sponsored by the people who will actually raise the premiums. why is that -- why is that such a jump for the news media in this country? it doesn't seem to me to be a partisan point to say who it was who promoted the study and what
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it is they will do when the results of reform are accomplished or are not accomplished. >> it seems incredibly obvious to me p. i mean, all the signs are there. this study had a big, neon billboard sticking right on top of it saying, this is a bogus study, and this is the insurance industry basically telling us that, you know, we want to -- we may end up raising your premiums. it's a very logical leap. i don't understand why anyone in the media would report it as anything else other than a piece of propaganda. >> jonathan cohn, author of "sick," thanks again for your time. >> thanks a lot. >> mr. cohn used that title "sick" so when liz cheney created a group to promote war, torture, and anything else to get someone else's kid killed, they had to call it something else, like the keep america safe group.
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because the microscopic remaining contingent of pro-iraq war neo cons needs a voice other than liz cheney and bill kristol, a new group as emerged run by liz cheney and bill kristol. after a year after losing power for screwing up the plant, the right wing offspring rise again, calling themselves, keep america safe. ox noise noisemakers cheney and kristol say say invading iraq was the right thing to do. detaining suspects forever is okay. kristol has advocated war with iraq, iran, north korea, syria, sudan, somalia, and cleveland. cheney had the political foresight and judgment to serve
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as campaign co-chair for fred thompson and then as senior foreign policy adviser to mitt romney, saying it would be a sad day for republicans if senator mccain were nominated. kristol, joking to politico that their new group would help launch her political career, something she quickly denied. smooth message discipline on the rollout, guys. so what do they want? to save america from president obama, as illustrated in a new web ad, criticizing him for not announcing a new afghan strategy, yet. >> he hasn't reached a conclusion yet, i suppose, because he's using all his time to preparing for speeches to letterman and schoolchildren and he hasn't been able to focus on a war where our soldiers are in the field getting shot out. >> not enough time for decisions, but plenty of time for letterman, golf, a beer summit, more golf, vacation, and a visit to copenhagen. if you think america's president must act to defend america instead of just talking about it, join keep america safe today.
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>> what should we do to keep america safe today other than get a less slimy-sounding announcer, join keep america safe, give money to keep america safe, write letters about keep america safe, call talk radio, call -- they use the radio? write more letters about keep america safe, about what? please don't prosecute anyone, cheney's dad, for torturing suspects. and keep them off u.s. soil so they can't sue anybody, cheney's dad. what has mr. obama done besides keep us safe? kill pakistan's taliban leader this august, sent commandos to kill a top al qaeda terrorist in somalia last month after years of failed bush attempts to do so using only missiles. and here, multiple arrests in just the past month, "the washington post" alleging that after obama learned about the alleged zazi plot in august, got three postings about it a day. and never bragged about it. or dismiss it as bush did.
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and even after september 11th, literally, he put terrorism aside for golf. >> i call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. thank you. now watch this drive. >> and on vacation at the time. let's bring in msnbc political analyst, richard wolffe, author of "renegade: the making of a public." thanks for your time tonight, richard. >> my pleasure, keith. >> keep america safe. there's not a word about supporting the troops, nothing about volunteering in the military or abroad, just whipping people up to yell about torture investigations and yell about gitmo, which, incidentally, mr. bush also wanted to close. even the rabid right has other priorities with keeping america safe, i believe. what is the point of this? >> keith, are you suggesting that the difference between a call to national service and a call to talk radio? for me, it's the same kind of
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thing. and let's remember the good old days when america could invade a country that posed to imminent threat and had no weapons of mass destruction while iran and north korea forged ahead with their nuclear program and al qaeda's leadership was safe on the pakistani border somewhere. i think, you know, it's perfectly understandable that they would want a return to those days in the alternative universe that is talk radio in this country. >> all right, but for some practicalities that you can't erase because you want them to be gone. cheney's father was the credibility of bush/cheney. obama, by the calendar, has kept this country safe longer than bush/cheney did. and kristol gave up the iraq war, which turned out to be al qaeda's benefit. who are listening to these people and taking them seriously, as to what we are, a joke? >> here is the sad truth of it. independent voters who have disproportionately been disillusioned republicans are tuning into this strange
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organism called fox news, which repeats this stuff. it's no coincidence that in that very long ad, which i think was something like two minutes, tells me they weren't very good at the whole decision thing about editing, but that ad posts charles as the teller of truth on president obama and his foreign policy. listen, they're speaking to the fox crowd. and unfortunately, that does affect not just is base, but these independent who is can prove critical in the independent states. >> either al qaeda does attack again, which underscores the fact that al qaeda still exists and bush/cheney had the seven years, at least, to get rid of it and chose not to, or al qaeda does not attack again, in which case, everybody understands that actually obama succeeded in keeping us safe from a threat that bush and cheney failed to appreciate or neutralize. >> that's very good, keith, but when a democratic president has a terrorist attack, it's completely different from when a republican president does,
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because clearly the republican was just taken unawares and the democrat is not keeping us safe. so there is a difference of standards there and i'm sure president obama will realize he's been naive and just hand things over to john mccain. >> thunk for clarifying all that for me. i was getting confused by reality. richard wolffe of msnbc, author of "renegade," thank you kindly. >> thank you, keith. kind of a surprise in that rush limbaugh interview when he admitted he was insane. and oops, one of the centerpieces of a new website touting hispanic female or african-american heroes was not a republican. and when "the rachel maddow show" begins at the top of the hour, the questions developing governor rick perry. [ horns hon] ♪ today ♪ must have been one of the strangest days ♪
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michelle gets the name wrong behind an obama song. and one of the greatest men of the 20th century, except he wasn't a republican. goodwrench... we roll out the blue carpet for drivers of these great gm brands. we can do the small things, the big things, just about everything... right inside your gm dealership.
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interview with the "today" show. the ego is mightier than the principle. we'll deconstruct the limbaugh interview next. but first, tonight's worst person in the world. lebron back on his heels. when the white house called them out. i see it all the time, i see their statements and they'll say, oh, the smear, and i mean exactly what people used to say about people going after nixon. it's just a smear campaign. no, smears, it's not nixon, it's o'reilly. >> if you can't beat them, smear them. >> smear tactics. >> smear merchants. >> they're smear merchants, smearing anyone. >> glenn beck has been smeared. >> smear merchants. >> smear websites. smear factor. >> there were some smears going on. >> smears, smear merchants. >> smeared the three of us. >> smear. >> for my trouble, i was smeared twice. >> we knew that msnbc are a bunch of smear merchants. >> the smear stops here. >> it's even funnier if you think of smear as a euphemism
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for another word. and as they climb up on their cross, when will the fox news hold their convention. when the obama song stupidity broke in new jersey singing about the president, author that reece kearney nunez says she got an e-mailing, i understand you uploaded the video of schoolchildren reciting a barack obama song/rap in june. did you teach about your book "i am barack obama" at the school. how well acquainted are you with the president? that was at 6:47 in the morning. by nighttime, malkin and the lunatic fringe decided carney nunez was responsible for the song and whatever plot their fevered little paranoid minds saw behind it. she received death threats and hate-filled mail because of the hatred without which michelle malkin would be a bashed up bag of meat with lipstick.
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by the way, the fringe is out protesting at the school again, scaring the kids. exactly the way that psychotic pastor protests at military funerals. our winners, though, the republican national committee, new web page today called "heroes," featuring 16 patriots, abraham lincoln, one of the supreme court justices who helped pave the way for civil rights act, one hispanic american, seven african-americans, including one that republicans claim was a republican, even though this gentleman in his autobiography wrote, i never identified myself with one party or another in politics. i said plainly what i thought of the right-wing republicans and the harm they were doing. by and large, republicans had ignored blacks and sometimes hand-picked a few servile leaders in the black community to be their token ns. early in 1964, i wrote a speaking out piece.
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what happened at san francisco when senator goldwater wrote about how it must have been felt to be a jew in hitler's germany. it was jackie robinson and the republicans have tried to claim him because he campaigned for his friend, nelson rockefeller's bid, for the gop presidential nomination. today, the republicans would not let rockefeller into their party, let alone into their conventioned and asked of jackie robins robinson, they would be calling him the original affirmative action infielder. folks at the rnc people's web page, today's worst person in the world. even when he thought he might lose his job. he says he doesn't think about it much... but i don't believe him. i think he does it for us. sometimes doing the right thing is just making people happy.
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when last we ventured inside the mind of rush limbaugh, don't wear your good shoes, he thought the vast nbc/msnbc machine trying to make money off of him by constantly referencing him shouldn't. >> so i challenge you, msnbc, 30 days without anything mentioning me. no video of me, no guests commenting on me. >> i inferred at the time that that was really the plaintiff cry, stop hitting me, i can dish it out, but i can't take it. so when limbaugh in coverage did drop most likely because he lost his privacy, limbaugh did a sit-down, hour-long interview with the vast nbc/msnbc world domination machine trying to make money off of him by constantly referencing him. jamie gangel on the "today" show were the beneficiaries or victims of the limbaugh ego. as a public service, i thought i would deconstruct and translate tonight. first, if he's not one of the leaders of the gop was asked, who is?
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>> i have no idea. i'm certainly not in charge of picking them. the only thing i can do is recite names from 2008 that probably wonted back in it, sarah palin, mitt romney, huckabee, tim pawlenty is probably going to go in. but at this stage, as the anointer of the republican nominee, i'm not going to go out there now and destroy the chances of three or four other people. i have more compassion than that. >> in other words, like all demagogues, he dreamed secretly of being summoned by a desperate nation. that or that was rare honesty and he can't think of a single republican likely to get more votes in 2012. >> sarah palin. >> misunderstood and underestimated. >> you love her. >> well, no, love -- i admire her. people have tried to destroy her. she's got more of a backbone than any man in the democratic party. >> continuing miss gangel's word
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association game, george w. bush. >> he's just the most decent, down-to-earth, real man you could ever hope to meet. >> well, you could ever hope to meet. then there was the subject of the overshadowing of limbaugh but the likes of glenn beck with great reflexes, limbaugh applied rule one of disaster management. if complaining about what hurts you would also make you look back, instead, take credit for it. >> look what i have spawned. glenn beck, to me, is right on, daddio. glenn beck is a as a result of my success. >> yes. indeed, like congratulating yourself on spreading syphilis. but more materially, limbaugh is ignoring all that proceeded him at hate radio on tv. bob grant, joe pine, wally george, and morton downey jr. there was a flash of unexpected self-insight, though. you often gain insight into a man when he thinks he's talking
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about somebody else. >> you know, when i hear bill clinton's name, i can't help, i start channeling the guy and i can't help -- look it, do you realize how quick and shafty i am, jamie. look at what i manage, the democrat party is going to be really, really sad when i'm gone, because i'm the glue holding them together. i'm wealthy, i sold a lot of books, i told people i'm rich all the time, and i still scored $2 million for that stimulus plan that was supposed to create jobs. how clever am i? >> you're bad. >> it's all true. a great comedy has to have an element of truth in it. >> as, apparently, does terrible political commentary. anyway, miss gangel asked limbaugh one of the stock questions all interviewers ask all people like him. do you worry about what people think about him? >> i would be insane if i did. >> but we know he does worry about what people think about him. he said so. >> so i challenge you, msnbc, 30 days without anything mentioning me,

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